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<blockquote>I think that flow chart she posted is her being a cheeky fuck. She came in the game swinging like she fucking owned the place and said people were town and scum based off of RVS which I'm still thinking is loaded with fallacy. The thing that fucks me up the most is that when I think of this game, [[Mastina]] isn't the center of attention or who I think of at first thought. Honestly that concerns me with Mastina being one of the most verbose players in MS that ever played.</blockquote>
<blockquote>I think that flow chart she posted is her being a cheeky fuck. She came in the game swinging like she fucking owned the place and said people were town and scum based off of RVS which I'm still thinking is loaded with fallacy. The thing that fucks me up the most is that when I think of this game, [[Mastina]] isn't the center of attention or who I think of at first thought. Honestly that concerns me with Mastina being one of the most verbose players in MS that ever played.</blockquote>
: --[[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]] ([https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8763848#p8763848 Rogue Crew v1])
: --{{U|TheRealGin-N-Tonic}} ([https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8763848#p8763848 Rogue Crew v1])




<blockquote>i don't think of mastin as someone big on "interaction" as i think you probably mean it here. she's more someone that just pushes down on the throttle to her reads and that's it.<br><br> but that's not my methodology here. my read on mastin is based on my assessment that i think mastin has legit reads. (fyi, i don't use mastin's flowchart. there are a few exceptions but most of the time, the second you acknowledge what's part of your scum/town meta, it's a bunch of shit.)<br><br> [[TellTaleHeart|tth]] thinks mastin's [[Scum|scum]] because she thinks mastin's [[Buddying|manipulating me]], which i understand but i don't think i agree with. i feel like if that were the case, i'd see stuff cropping up elsewhere (bad pushes on non-scummy people, diversion of attention away from scummy people).</blockquote>
<blockquote>i don't think of mastin as someone big on "interaction" as i think you probably mean it here. she's more someone that just pushes down on the throttle to her reads and that's it.<br><br> but that's not my methodology here. my read on mastin is based on my assessment that i think mastin has legit reads. (fyi, i don't use mastin's flowchart. there are a few exceptions but most of the time, the second you acknowledge what's part of your scum/town meta, it's a bunch of shit.)<br><br> {{U|TellTaleHeart|tth}} thinks mastin's [[Scum|scum]] because she thinks mastin's [[Buddying|manipulating me]], which i understand but i don't think i agree with. i feel like if that were the case, i'd see stuff cropping up elsewhere (bad pushes on non-scummy people, diversion of attention away from scummy people).</blockquote>
: --[[Antihero]] ([https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8765640#p8765640 Rouge Crew v1])
: --[[Antihero]] ([https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8765640#p8765640 Rouge Crew v1])


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<blockquote>You have a lot more influence than the average player, that's for sure</blockquote>
<blockquote>You have a lot more influence than the average player, that's for sure</blockquote>
: --[[Infinity 324]] [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=9042703#p9042703]
: --{{U|Infinity&#32;324}} [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=9042703#p9042703]
<blockquote>I think the end result of your posts comes out pretty good :) It's like every post is a dramatic speech.</blockquote>
<blockquote>I think the end result of your posts comes out pretty good :) It's like every post is a dramatic speech.</blockquote>
: --[[Infinity 324]] [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=9042795#p9042795]
: --{{U|Infinity&#32;324}} [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=9042795#p9042795]




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<blockquote>I'm glad mastina pulled it out in the end.</blockquote>
<blockquote>I'm glad mastina pulled it out in the end.</blockquote>
: --[[zefiend]] [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=9044030#p9044030]
: --{{U|zefiend}} [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=9044030#p9044030]




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<blockquote>If you don't win this game I'll be an upset warrior</blockquote>
<blockquote>If you don't win this game I'll be an upset warrior</blockquote>
: --[[TheRealGin-N-Tonic]] [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8776997#p8776997]
: --{{U|TheRealGin-N-Tonic}} [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8776997#p8776997]




<blockquote>holy fuck I'm glad mastina is scum with us.</blockquote>
<blockquote>holy fuck I'm glad mastina is scum with us.</blockquote>
: --[[zefiend]] [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8800502#p8800502]
: --{{U|zefiend}} [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8800502#p8800502]


<blockquote>Congrats mastina. You deserve all the credit.</blockquote>
<blockquote>Congrats mastina. You deserve all the credit.</blockquote>
: --[[ɀefiend]] [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=9044031#p9044031]
: --{{U|ɀefiend}} [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=9044031#p9044031]


===[https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=69941 Dead Thread]===
===[https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=69941 Dead Thread]===
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<blockquote>I think mastins strat is actually optimal</blockquote>
<blockquote>I think mastins strat is actually optimal</blockquote>
: --[[Infinity 324]] [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8975092#p8975092]
: --{{U|Infinity&#32;324}} [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8975092#p8975092]




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<blockquote>Looking forward to you breaking this game open :D</blockquote>
<blockquote>Looking forward to you breaking this game open :D</blockquote>
: --[[Mathblade]] ([https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8819968#p8819968 upon learning of my replace-in])
: --{{U|Mathblade}} ([https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8819968#p8819968 upon learning of my replace-in])




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<blockquote>I love KMD, Mastina, and even Almost/Chara.  God fucking bless RAW and bless this game.</blockquote>
<blockquote>I love KMD, Mastina, and even Almost/Chara.  God fucking bless RAW and bless this game.</blockquote>
: --[[Narna]] [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8831292#p8831292]
: --{{U|Narna}} [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8831292#p8831292]




<blockquote>lol mastina</blockquote>
<blockquote>lol mastina</blockquote>
: --[[DodgeTheSaint]] ([https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8831911#p8831911 upon activation] of [[Mason|mason]]-[[Executioner|execution]] on [[Scum|scum]])
: --{{U|DodgeTheSaint}} ([https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8831911#p8831911 upon activation] of [[Mason|mason]]-[[Executioner|execution]] on [[Scum|scum]])




<blockquote>[[Mastina]] destroyed you, lol.</blockquote>
<blockquote>[[Mastina]] destroyed you, lol.</blockquote>
: --[[-Grey-]] ([https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8832692#p8832692 to] [[malpascp]])
: --[[-Grey-]] ([https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8832692#p8832692 to] {{U|malpascp}})




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<blockquote>No one in Raw caught scum aside from Mastina</blockquote>
<blockquote>No one in Raw caught scum aside from Mastina</blockquote>
--[[Vifam]] [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8880120#p8880120]
: --[[Vifam]] [https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=8880120#p8880120]


==[https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=71370 The Mystery at King's Landing]==
<blockquote>[[House Bolton]] is that one player for me that just looks town as fuck; sometimes in a game there's just one player who looks very genuine and very transparent in basically everything that they do and House Bolton has been that player for me all the way. I understand how people can view him as slimy due to how he's been reaching out to townreads and voting who townreads want him to vote, but his explanation as to why he's adopted the extreme pragmatism method and still developing in-depth cases on people but letting strong townreads dictate where he ends up voting seems like such a garbage strategy for scum (no real ability to guide lynches away from partners, less cred when bussing). </blockquote>
: --[[Nachomamma8|House Dondarrion]].


'''Alignment: [[Mafia]].'''
* ''Caveat: as a [[Traitor]].''
* '''Note:''' ''Played under the name [[House Bolton]].''


<blockquote>I actually went through the effort of reading [[House Bolton|Bolton]] posts. I don't agree with many stances with the person, but I kind of think their behavior and thoughts are more [[Town|town]] mindset than [[Scum|scum]].</blockquote>
: --[[Firebringer|House Tully I]].


'''Last Updated:''' 23:26, 13 April 2017 (EDT)
<blockquote>Bolton is only one allowed to [[Wall|wall]].</blockquote>
: --[[Firebringer|House Tully I]].
 
<blockquote>You are talking about relevant topics. You push game forward.</blockquote>
: --[[Firebringer|House Tully I]].
 
 
<blockquote>Bolton's last posts show that at least he tries. I can see that Bolton is willing to engage in conversation.</blockquote>
: --{{U|Giovanni&#32;il&#32;Pellegrino|House Arryn I}}.
 
 
<blockquote>I like Greyjoy's Arryn reasoning, but I prefer Martell. Especially when you think about how Bolton is probtown.</blockquote>
: --{{U|MaxwellPuckett|House Connington}}.
 
 
<blockquote>As much as I disliked their initial vote on Reed, Bolton has on balance been really transparent and open about their reads, which I think outweighs the scum vibes I got initially.</blockquote>
: --[[Untrod Tripod|House Baratheon]].
 
<blockquote>I find Bolton's posting style incredibly frustrating, but this is the kind of thing I'm talking about when I say that Bolton is being really transparent about their reads and how they are evolving as the game progresses. </blockquote>
: --[[Untrod Tripod|House Baratheon]].
<blockquote>I'm definitely feeling Arryn, Clegane, Bolton as town</blockquote>
: --[[Untrod Tripod|House Baratheon]].
 
 
<blockquote>There are two things that I liked about this opening; one, I liked the way that they worded the townread on House Tully. I feel that scum sometimes like to use townreads as a way to pocket people (get a mutual townread back), and so saying that House Tully "sent an arse of a representative" seems like a bad way to go about doing that. I liked their attack on House Connington.</blockquote>
: --[[Nachomamma8|House Dondarrion]], on [[House Bolton]]'s opening posting.
 
<blockquote>I liked this post; again with the "when scum try to townread people they try to pocket them" reasoning, but this seems too hamfisted if their intent is to townread Clegane to get a townread back.</blockquote>
: --[[Nachomamma8|House Dondarrion]].
 
<blockquote>House Bolton and House Clegane are my strongest townreads from early game because their scumhunting seemed the most genuine. House Bolton had some genuine interactions with townreads, and I also find the [[Modkill|modkill]] accusation to be something that is more likely to come from [[Town|town]] than [[Scum|scum]].</blockquote>
: --[[Nachomamma8|House Dondarrion]].
 
<blockquote>House Bolton continues to impress; I'm finding that I like their coldly logical approach to voting thus far (extremely aggressive pursuit of consolidation early) and think it's more likely that they'd take a fluid approach as scum; they're clearly able and willing to make large-scale cases as demonstrated by 249 so dropping the policy would put them in a better position to drive [[Mislynch|mislynches]] on townies who they feel are playing weak games. It's also a policy that takes away all chances of them getting any real cred from a scum lynch; they can have scum in their suspects and they can case them and they can vote them, but there's a very accessible argument when they do so that they were forced into it by their policy, and I think that's a place that Bolton wouldn't want to find themselves as scum. As far as points that aren't completely nebulous go, I thought their case at 249 was Bolton sticking their neck out pretty far for the Reed push early and find the points they were pushing genuine; I pointed out my problems with the "said they can't differentiate between fluff and content and then totally did" point, but it seems like an odd angle to take as scum.</blockquote>
: --[[Nachomamma8|House Dondarrion]].
 
<blockquote>I don't think that he was at all trying to create answers where there weren't any; his response was that he thought that Connington, as town, wouldn't be likely to point out a rule break from a townread because he wouldn't want his townread to get nightkilled plus a ton of roleplaying, and I don't think that roleplaying is scummy. I agree that Bolton's attack on Connington was ridiculous, but I don't think that it was a push made with bad intentions; no way that scum makes that push and is simultaneously aware of the ridiculousness of it.</blockquote>
: --[[Nachomamma8|House Dondarrion]].
<blockquote>I liked this reasoning; the logical response for Seaworth here is to vote him, and I find it fairly unlikely that scum would be pestering town to vote them at this point. </blockquote>
: --[[Nachomamma8|House Dondarrion]].
 
<blockquote>I think that it's a strange move regardless of Bolton's alignment; I don't think it's logical for them to spend that much time crafting a case just to "appease you", especially when your major concern seems to be that their scumreads aren't fleshed out enough and in the same post Bolton votes a different scumread. The only thing that makes sense to me is that they are specifically trying to keep to the "pragmatism" talk that they laid out at the beginning of the day. </blockquote>
: --[[Nachomamma8|House Dondarrion]].
 
<blockquote>I understand and will respect your position in honor of my incredibly strong early townread on you.</blockquote>
: --[[Nachomamma8|House Dondarrion]].
 
<blockquote>Bolton doesn't fit in that group at all - they have reads on those players that aren't null, they do stand up for what they believe in, saying that they've been coasting is laughable, they have moved from wagon to wagon frequently but have explanations for those pushes and did vote Baratheon.</blockquote>
: --[[Nachomamma8|House Dondarrion]], RE: [[Titus|House Reed II]]'s accusations.
 
 
<blockquote>House Martell is satisfied and thanks its Northern ally.</blockquote>
: --[[Hiraki|House Martell]].
 
 
<blockquote>House Bolton feels town in our common vernacular (gut) but feels scummy to our scientists (brain), sort of like House Bolton sells snake oil.</blockquote>
: --[[Titus|House Reed II]].
 
 
<blockquote>I thought that their early reasoning seemed to come from a town place</blockquote>
: --[[Nexus|House]] [[ChannelDelibird|Tyrell]]; Garlan [[Hydra|head]].
 
 
<blockquote>Clegane seems town separate of that, as does Bolton.</blockquote>
: --{{U|randomidget|House Arryn II}}.
 
 
<blockquote>Look my position in this game is crystal clear. I'm going to follow the Clegane/Bolton/Greyjoy townblock.</blockquote>
: --[[Albert B. Rampage|House Seaworth]].
 
 
<blockquote>So far townreads on Bolton and Reed</blockquote>
: --{{U|Mathblade|House Frey II}}.
 
 
 
 
'''Last Updated:''' 19:31, 25 May 2017 (EDT)


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Star Wars: Rogue One

Alignment: Mafia.


I think that flow chart she posted is her being a cheeky fuck. She came in the game swinging like she fucking owned the place and said people were town and scum based off of RVS which I'm still thinking is loaded with fallacy. The thing that fucks me up the most is that when I think of this game, Mastina isn't the center of attention or who I think of at first thought. Honestly that concerns me with Mastina being one of the most verbose players in MS that ever played.

--TheRealGin-N-Tonic (Rogue Crew v1)


i don't think of mastin as someone big on "interaction" as i think you probably mean it here. she's more someone that just pushes down on the throttle to her reads and that's it.

but that's not my methodology here. my read on mastin is based on my assessment that i think mastin has legit reads. (fyi, i don't use mastin's flowchart. there are a few exceptions but most of the time, the second you acknowledge what's part of your scum/town meta, it's a bunch of shit.)

tth thinks mastin's scum because she thinks mastin's manipulating me, which i understand but i don't think i agree with. i feel like if that were the case, i'd see stuff cropping up elsewhere (bad pushes on non-scummy people, diversion of attention away from scummy people).

--Antihero (Rouge Crew v1)

strong, premature reads is something she does

arrogance is also something she does. ftr, i don't say that in a malicious way. it just is what it is.

i've seen mastin waffle and change her mind, but i haven't known her to factor in lots of uncertainty when formulating reads

--Antihero (Rogue Crew v1)


Postgame

YOU
YOU
YOU
i guess i had that coming after jk9++ (Referencing this game)
but DAMN MASTINA

--Antihero (chat)


You have a lot more influence than the average player, that's for sure

--Infinity 324 [1]

I think the end result of your posts comes out pretty good :) It's like every post is a dramatic speech.

--Infinity 324 [2]


Well played Mastina!

--Nachomamma8 [3]


Mastina did a great job.

--ThinkBig [4]


I'm glad mastina pulled it out in the end.

--zefiend [5]


Good job taking it home Mastin.

--MagnaofIllusion [6]


Mafia Thread

It's good to see we're still on the same wavelength, Mastina <3 <3 <3

--Pine [7]


If you don't win this game I'll be an upset warrior

--TheRealGin-N-Tonic [8]


holy fuck I'm glad mastina is scum with us.

--zefiend [9]

Congrats mastina. You deserve all the credit.

--ɀefiend [10]

Dead Thread

town is mega screwed

--SirCakez (upon learning my alignment)


ive never seen mastin play scum this way

--Desperado [11]


I think mastins strat is actually optimal

--Infinity 324 [12]


mastina just outplayed me

--Antihero [13]

i can't wait to read the scum PT. this will be the first scum PT i will actually READ instead of just control+f my name to stroke my own ego.

--Antihero [14]


Mastina is playing TWIE like a fiddle.

--Nero Cain, reposting ThinkBig. [15]


WWE Mafia RAW

Alignment: Town.


Looking forward to you breaking this game open :D

--Mathblade (upon learning of my replace-in)


Dead Thread

mastina should really shake the game up
town might have a chance now

--SirCakez (upon learning of my replace-in)


I love KMD, Mastina, and even Almost/Chara. God fucking bless RAW and bless this game.

--Narna [16]


lol mastina

--DodgeTheSaint (upon activation of mason-execution on scum)


Mastina destroyed you, lol.

---Grey- (to malpascp)


I did want to thank you for coming into the game rather late.

I hope you didn't read the entire game just to live for only one day phase.

--KuroiXHF [17]

You've also brought the slot some damn justice.

--KuroiXHF [18]


No one in Raw caught scum aside from Mastina

--Vifam [19]

The Mystery at King's Landing

House Bolton is that one player for me that just looks town as fuck; sometimes in a game there's just one player who looks very genuine and very transparent in basically everything that they do and House Bolton has been that player for me all the way. I understand how people can view him as slimy due to how he's been reaching out to townreads and voting who townreads want him to vote, but his explanation as to why he's adopted the extreme pragmatism method and still developing in-depth cases on people but letting strong townreads dictate where he ends up voting seems like such a garbage strategy for scum (no real ability to guide lynches away from partners, less cred when bussing).

--House Dondarrion.

Alignment: Mafia.

I actually went through the effort of reading Bolton posts. I don't agree with many stances with the person, but I kind of think their behavior and thoughts are more town mindset than scum.

--House Tully I.

Bolton is only one allowed to wall.

--House Tully I.

You are talking about relevant topics. You push game forward.

--House Tully I.


Bolton's last posts show that at least he tries. I can see that Bolton is willing to engage in conversation.

--House Arryn I.


I like Greyjoy's Arryn reasoning, but I prefer Martell. Especially when you think about how Bolton is probtown.

--House Connington.


As much as I disliked their initial vote on Reed, Bolton has on balance been really transparent and open about their reads, which I think outweighs the scum vibes I got initially.

--House Baratheon.

I find Bolton's posting style incredibly frustrating, but this is the kind of thing I'm talking about when I say that Bolton is being really transparent about their reads and how they are evolving as the game progresses.

--House Baratheon.

I'm definitely feeling Arryn, Clegane, Bolton as town

--House Baratheon.


There are two things that I liked about this opening; one, I liked the way that they worded the townread on House Tully. I feel that scum sometimes like to use townreads as a way to pocket people (get a mutual townread back), and so saying that House Tully "sent an arse of a representative" seems like a bad way to go about doing that. I liked their attack on House Connington.

--House Dondarrion, on House Bolton's opening posting.

I liked this post; again with the "when scum try to townread people they try to pocket them" reasoning, but this seems too hamfisted if their intent is to townread Clegane to get a townread back.

--House Dondarrion.

House Bolton and House Clegane are my strongest townreads from early game because their scumhunting seemed the most genuine. House Bolton had some genuine interactions with townreads, and I also find the modkill accusation to be something that is more likely to come from town than scum.

--House Dondarrion.

House Bolton continues to impress; I'm finding that I like their coldly logical approach to voting thus far (extremely aggressive pursuit of consolidation early) and think it's more likely that they'd take a fluid approach as scum; they're clearly able and willing to make large-scale cases as demonstrated by 249 so dropping the policy would put them in a better position to drive mislynches on townies who they feel are playing weak games. It's also a policy that takes away all chances of them getting any real cred from a scum lynch; they can have scum in their suspects and they can case them and they can vote them, but there's a very accessible argument when they do so that they were forced into it by their policy, and I think that's a place that Bolton wouldn't want to find themselves as scum. As far as points that aren't completely nebulous go, I thought their case at 249 was Bolton sticking their neck out pretty far for the Reed push early and find the points they were pushing genuine; I pointed out my problems with the "said they can't differentiate between fluff and content and then totally did" point, but it seems like an odd angle to take as scum.

--House Dondarrion.

I don't think that he was at all trying to create answers where there weren't any; his response was that he thought that Connington, as town, wouldn't be likely to point out a rule break from a townread because he wouldn't want his townread to get nightkilled plus a ton of roleplaying, and I don't think that roleplaying is scummy. I agree that Bolton's attack on Connington was ridiculous, but I don't think that it was a push made with bad intentions; no way that scum makes that push and is simultaneously aware of the ridiculousness of it.

--House Dondarrion.

I liked this reasoning; the logical response for Seaworth here is to vote him, and I find it fairly unlikely that scum would be pestering town to vote them at this point.

--House Dondarrion.

I think that it's a strange move regardless of Bolton's alignment; I don't think it's logical for them to spend that much time crafting a case just to "appease you", especially when your major concern seems to be that their scumreads aren't fleshed out enough and in the same post Bolton votes a different scumread. The only thing that makes sense to me is that they are specifically trying to keep to the "pragmatism" talk that they laid out at the beginning of the day.

--House Dondarrion.

I understand and will respect your position in honor of my incredibly strong early townread on you.

--House Dondarrion.

Bolton doesn't fit in that group at all - they have reads on those players that aren't null, they do stand up for what they believe in, saying that they've been coasting is laughable, they have moved from wagon to wagon frequently but have explanations for those pushes and did vote Baratheon.

--House Dondarrion, RE: House Reed II's accusations.


House Martell is satisfied and thanks its Northern ally.

--House Martell.


House Bolton feels town in our common vernacular (gut) but feels scummy to our scientists (brain), sort of like House Bolton sells snake oil.

--House Reed II.


I thought that their early reasoning seemed to come from a town place

--House Tyrell; Garlan head.


Clegane seems town separate of that, as does Bolton.

--House Arryn II.


Look my position in this game is crystal clear. I'm going to follow the Clegane/Bolton/Greyjoy townblock.

--House Seaworth.


So far townreads on Bolton and Reed

--House Frey II.



Last Updated: 19:31, 25 May 2017 (EDT)