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'''2of4''' is the latest experimental [[Newbie Setup]], trying to address flaws in previous setups. The preceding Newbie Setup was [[F11]], but the setup was determined to produce an inordinate number of mafia wins, and is being phased out as a result. The first game to utilize the new [[2of4]] setup was {{plink|t|17313|Newbie 1097}}.
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====Setup name====
'''2of4''' was an experimental [[Newbie Setup]], trying to address flaws in [[F11]], which was determined to produce an inordinate number of mafia wins, and is being phased out as a result. The first game to utilize the new [[2of4]] setup was {{plink|t|17313|Newbie 1097}}. The setup was superseded by [[Matrix6]] with {{plink|t|28123|Newbie 1370}}.  
The name of the setup is derived from the possible roles in the setup, where seven roles are predetermined, and '''2''' of '''4''' possible roles are chosen at random to fill the last two setup slots. The seven predetermined roles are 1 [[Mafia Goon]], 1 Mafia [[Roleblocker]], and 5 [[Vanilla Townie]]s. The '''4''' possible roles out of which '''2''' are chosen are: [[Sane Cop]], [[Doctor]], [[Jailkeeper]], or a sixth [[Vanilla Townie]].  There is no chance for duplication in these last two roles.


==Variations==
===Setup name===
The name of the setup derived from the possible roles in the setup, where seven roles were predetermined, and '''2''' of '''4''' possible roles are chosen at random to fill the last two setup slots. The seven predetermined roles are 1 [[Mafia Goon]], 1 Mafia [[Role Cop]] (originally a [[Roleblocker]]), and 5 [[Vanilla Townie]]s. The '''4''' possible roles out of which '''2''' are chosen are: [[Sane Cop]], [[Doctor]], [[Jailkeeper]], or a sixth [[Vanilla Townie]].  There is no chance of duplication in these last two roles.
 
===Variations===
There are '''six''' possible variations to this setup:
There are '''six''' possible variations to this setup:
* 1 [[Mafia Goon]], 1 Mafia [[Roleblocker]], 5 [[Vanilla Townie]]s, [[Sane Cop]], [[Doctor]].
* 1 [[Mafia Goon]], 1 Mafia [[Role Cop]], 5 [[Vanilla Townie]]s, [[Sane Cop]], [[Doctor]].
* 1 [[Mafia Goon]], 1 Mafia [[Roleblocker]], 5 [[Vanilla Townie]]s, [[Sane Cop]], [[Jailkeeper]].
* 1 [[Mafia Goon]], 1 Mafia [[Role Cop]], 5 [[Vanilla Townie]]s, [[Sane Cop]], [[Jailkeeper]].
* 1 [[Mafia Goon]], 1 Mafia [[Roleblocker]], 5 [[Vanilla Townie]]s, [[Doctor]], [[Jailkeeper]].
* 1 [[Mafia Goon]], 1 Mafia [[Role Cop]], 5 [[Vanilla Townie]]s, [[Doctor]], [[Jailkeeper]].
* 1 [[Mafia Goon]], 1 Mafia [[Roleblocker]], 6 [[Vanilla Townie]]s, [[Sane Cop]].
* 1 [[Mafia Goon]], 1 Mafia [[Role Cop]], 6 [[Vanilla Townie]]s, [[Sane Cop]].
* 1 [[Mafia Goon]], 1 Mafia [[Roleblocker]], 6 [[Vanilla Townie]]s, [[Jailkeeper]].  
* 1 [[Mafia Goon]], 1 Mafia [[Role Cop]], 6 [[Vanilla Townie]]s, [[Jailkeeper]].  
* 1 [[Mafia Goon]], 1 Mafia [[Roleblocker]], 6 [[Vanilla Townie]]s, [[Doctor]].   
* 1 [[Mafia Goon]], 1 Mafia [[Role Cop]], 6 [[Vanilla Townie]]s, [[Doctor]].   
 
===Balance Discussion===
As of {{plink|p|17479|Newbie 1102}} (May 2011), the Mafia [[Roleblocker]] in the setup was changed to a Mafia [[Role Cop]], to prevent "Roleblocker vs. Roleblocker" interactions, which were a common cause of dissent in the discussion involved in the creation of this [[Newbie Setup]].
 
The [[Mafia]] [[Role Cop]] is allowed to '''both''' submit the [[nightkill]] '''and''' perform his [[Role Cop]] action, no matter whether the Goon is dead or not; see {{plink|t|7093|this thread}}, among others, for discussion on the matter. Most of this discussion took place when the [[Roleblocker]] was still present in the setup.


====Balance Discussion====
Eventually the setup was replaced by [[Matrix6]].
*The [[Roleblocker]] is allowed to both [[nightkill]] and perform his [[Roleblock]] action if the Goon is dead; see {{plink|t|7093|this thread}}, among others, for arguments on the matter.
*Whether the [[Jailkeeper]] action resolves before the [[Roleblock]] action is a matter of some debate at the moment; see {{plink|t|17119|this thread}} for discussion on the matter.


EDIT:  According to Natural Action Resolution, Roleblocking would occur before any kills.  Therefore, in the case where the Jailkeeper and lone Mafia Roleblocker target each other with blocking actions, the blocking actions would cancel one another out.  Since the blocks would cancel before kills are resolved, the kill would still go through.  This assumes that the Goon has already been lynched.


If the Goon is still alive, any kill submitted is attributed to the Goon and any Roleblock is attributed to the Mafia RBer for the purposes of determining what action is stopped by a Jailkeeper targeting a Mafia member.
=='''History:'''==


[[Category:Variations]]
Most games run with this setup were Newbie games. Here are the known games from outside the Newbie queue:
{{SetupHistory/Database}}

Latest revision as of 21:58, 17 January 2017

Name:
  • 2 of 4
Setup Size:
Players:
  • 9
Setup Type:
Designer:
  • Anonymous

2of4 was an experimental Newbie Setup, trying to address flaws in F11, which was determined to produce an inordinate number of mafia wins, and is being phased out as a result. The first game to utilize the new 2of4 setup was Newbie 1097. The setup was superseded by Matrix6 with Newbie 1370.

Setup name

The name of the setup derived from the possible roles in the setup, where seven roles were predetermined, and 2 of 4 possible roles are chosen at random to fill the last two setup slots. The seven predetermined roles are 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Role Cop (originally a Roleblocker), and 5 Vanilla Townies. The 4 possible roles out of which 2 are chosen are: Sane Cop, Doctor, Jailkeeper, or a sixth Vanilla Townie. There is no chance of duplication in these last two roles.

Variations

There are six possible variations to this setup:

Balance Discussion

As of Newbie 1102 (May 2011), the Mafia Roleblocker in the setup was changed to a Mafia Role Cop, to prevent "Roleblocker vs. Roleblocker" interactions, which were a common cause of dissent in the discussion involved in the creation of this Newbie Setup.

The Mafia Role Cop is allowed to both submit the nightkill and perform his Role Cop action, no matter whether the Goon is dead or not; see this thread, among others, for discussion on the matter. Most of this discussion took place when the Roleblocker was still present in the setup.

Eventually the setup was replaced by Matrix6.


History:

Most games run with this setup were Newbie games. Here are the known games from outside the Newbie queue:

History
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