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A '''Miller''' (sometimes called an ''Outsider'') is a | A '''Miller''' (sometimes called an ''Outsider'') is a role or role modifier such that the player passively returns an unfavorable result (i.e. Guilty) if investigated by a Cop. | ||
For obvious reasons, standard Millers are Town. | |||
==Variations== | ==Variations== | ||
Some moderators take the "passive guilt" concept to the point where Millers also investigate unfavorably to other roles (i.e. Gunsmith). Alternatively, specialized Millers can be created specifically for investigative roles other than [[Cop]]. | |||
A rather controversial twist is the '''Death Miller''', whose [[alignment]] is shown as "Mafia" by the [[Moderator]] upon death. This has been argued and discussed in {{plainlink|t|3460|Ethics Threads}} as a source of distrust in the Moderator, which most people feel should not be tolerated. Thus, the Death Miller is an | Sometimes, a Miller may be unaware of their Miller state -- that part of their role is [[hidden]] from them. This is used in some [[Open]] setups (like [[C9++]]) to prevent the Miller from functioning like a [[Named Townie]]. An unaware Miller in a closed setup is sometimes considered [[Bastard_Mod|bastardly]], though. | ||
A rather controversial twist is the '''Death Miller''', whose [[alignment]] is shown as "Mafia" by the [[Moderator]] upon death. This has been argued and discussed in {{plainlink|t|3460|Ethics Threads}} as a source of distrust in the Moderator, which most people feel should not be tolerated. Thus, the Death Miller is an particularly scarcely-used role even in [[bastard mod]] games. | |||
==Use and Balance== | ==Use and Balance== | ||
The foremost use of Millers is to weaken the power of a [[Cop]]. A Cop may prematurely claim with a guilty result upon the Miller, outting himself to the [[Mafia]] | The foremost use of Millers is to weaken the power of a [[Cop]]. A Cop may prematurely claim with a guilty result upon the Miller, outting himself to the [[Mafia]]; or a [[Mafia]] member with a guilty result upon them [[Chainsaw Defense (old)|may claim to be a Miller to avoid being lynched]] (though this doesn't usually work in practice). | ||
Less commonly, a Miller may be put into a game without a [[Cop]], as a red herring. | Less commonly, a Miller may be put into a game without a [[Cop]], as a red herring. | ||
Self-aware Millers may also be considered [[Named Townie|Named Townies]], as there is usually not more than one in a setup. | |||
==Play Advice== | ==Play Advice== | ||
If you are a Miller, there are two schools of thought about optimal play: | If you are a Miller, there are two schools of thought about optimal play: | ||
The first school of thought is that you should claim immediately, ideally in your opening post. This ensures that the [[Cop]] will not waste an investigation on you. It becomes more likely that you will be lynched | The first school of thought is that you should claim immediately, ideally in your opening post. This ensures that the [[Cop]] will not waste an investigation on you. It becomes more likely that you will be lynched or shot by a [[Vigilante]], however; otherwise, it would be too easy for [[Mafia]] to [[fakeclaim]] Miller as well. | ||
The second school of thought is that you should not claim, but should play in such a way as to not get investigated; ideally, you would get yourself killed at Night. | The second school of thought is that you should not claim, but should play in such a way as to not get investigated; ideally, you would get yourself killed at Night. If investigated, however, you should expect to get lynched. | ||
==Origin== | ==Origin== | ||
The original Outsider role appears to have been independently developed by [http://web.archive.org/web/20020105094500/http://www.princeton.edu/~mafia/vr15.htm the Princeton Brotherhood] in [[MeatWorld]] as early as 2002 and, locally, [[Norinel]] [http://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewtopic.php?p=40101#p40101 in late 2003]. | The original Outsider role appears to have been independently developed by [http://web.archive.org/web/20020105094500/http://www.princeton.edu/~mafia/vr15.htm the Princeton Brotherhood] in [[MeatWorld]] as early as 2002 and, locally, [[Norinel]] [http://www.mafiascum.net/archive/viewtopic.php?p=40101#p40101 in late 2003]. | ||
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A Miller (sometimes called an Outsider) is a role or role modifier such that the player passively returns an unfavorable result (i.e. Guilty) if investigated by a Cop.
For obvious reasons, standard Millers are Town.
Variations
Some moderators take the "passive guilt" concept to the point where Millers also investigate unfavorably to other roles (i.e. Gunsmith). Alternatively, specialized Millers can be created specifically for investigative roles other than Cop.
Sometimes, a Miller may be unaware of their Miller state -- that part of their role is hidden from them. This is used in some Open setups (like C9++) to prevent the Miller from functioning like a Named Townie. An unaware Miller in a closed setup is sometimes considered bastardly, though.
A rather controversial twist is the Death Miller, whose alignment is shown as "Mafia" by the Moderator upon death. This has been argued and discussed in Ethics Threads as a source of distrust in the Moderator, which most people feel should not be tolerated. Thus, the Death Miller is an particularly scarcely-used role even in bastard mod games.
Use and Balance
The foremost use of Millers is to weaken the power of a Cop. A Cop may prematurely claim with a guilty result upon the Miller, outting himself to the Mafia; or a Mafia member with a guilty result upon them may claim to be a Miller to avoid being lynched (though this doesn't usually work in practice).
Less commonly, a Miller may be put into a game without a Cop, as a red herring.
Self-aware Millers may also be considered Named Townies, as there is usually not more than one in a setup.
Play Advice
If you are a Miller, there are two schools of thought about optimal play:
The first school of thought is that you should claim immediately, ideally in your opening post. This ensures that the Cop will not waste an investigation on you. It becomes more likely that you will be lynched or shot by a Vigilante, however; otherwise, it would be too easy for Mafia to fakeclaim Miller as well.
The second school of thought is that you should not claim, but should play in such a way as to not get investigated; ideally, you would get yourself killed at Night. If investigated, however, you should expect to get lynched.
Origin
The original Outsider role appears to have been independently developed by the Princeton Brotherhood in MeatWorld as early as 2002 and, locally, Norinel in late 2003.