Roles That May Be Considered Bastard

Type: Views Author: Ferretlover

Are you modding a game? Browsing the wiki, looking for roles for your game? Well you are on the right track. You should know though, not everyone looks at game balance and game design the same way. Some people consider some roles more Bastard than others. Sometimes people feel so strongly about a particular role they will consider it Bastard while other people might consider it completely normal.

Roles which may be considered bastard by many players

Role	Reasoning
Cult	Difficult to balance and alignment-changing leads to a much-disdained third-party.
Death Miller	An arguably overpowering form of misinformation.
False role	Essentially states "Your role PM is a lie".
Hated	Advances ELo by a Day and is generally not fun to play as.
Jester	Considered too easy to win as and acts as a scummy miselimination.
Judas	An alignment-changing role that acts as a sort of super-Traitor.
Mentor	A weaker but still maligned Cult.
Saulus	An alignment-changing role that is very difficult to implement soundly.
Suicidal	A purely negative modifier that is guarenteed to gimp its faction.
Usurper	Undermines the team aspect of the Mafia.

Roles which may be considered bastard or "bad" by some players

Role	Reasoning
Actor	Forced to take on all the attention of hammering; cannot have voting patterns examined.
Bus Driver	Muddles up results and causes confusion on both sides (depending on implementation).
Framer	Akin to scum-directed unaware Miller; guilty results tend to have much more pull than a Godfather's innocents.
Condemner	Third-party role that only cares about one player and not the scum.
Post Restriction	Many players simply do not like post restrictions.
Silencer	It only hinders the town when it's a town role and it's not fun to play against when it's a scum role.
Survivor	Generally not fun to play as.
Voteless	Has no ability to (mechanically) affect the game.
Watcher	Arguably stronger than Cop and Tracker and called "cheap" because of it

Keep in mind that a lot of arguments for why a certain role might be bastard are highly contextual. For instance, there are always specific situations where any role might be acceptable in a setup. Like, if you have a theme setup designed around a Survivor role, its probably okay. Take this page with a grain of salt.